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     Edward Denny Day Jr married Mary Ann Florence Parker, daughter of John Skottowe Parker and Jane Phillips, on 31 July 1866 in Christ Church, Newcastle, New South Wales. Marriage of Edward Denny Day junior of Rockhampton to Mary Florence Parker, daughter of John Skottowe Parker, Coroner of Sydney.

     Emma Day was born circa 1825 in Sheffield, Yorkshire.
Emma Day married Joseph Stancer, son of Matthew Stanser and Martha Rowland, before 1 April 1848 in Sheffield, Yorkshire.
     Emma Day and Joseph Stancer were recorded on the 1851 census in 56 Wentworth St, Nether Hallam, Yorkshire. Joseph Stancer, 26, scissor smith, his wife Emma 26, son Walter aged 2 and mother Martha 52, all born at Sheffield.

     Mary de la Hay was born circa 1675 in Soho, Westminster. She was the daughter & co-heir of Peter de la Hay of St Margaret's Westminster. She was the daughter of Peter de la Hay.
Mary de la Hay married Sir John St Aubyn (2nd Bart), son of Sir John St Aubyn (Bart) and Anne Jenkin, on 22 May 1695 in St George's chapel, New Windsor, Berkshire.
Mary de la Hay and Capt James St Aubyn, Mary St Aubyn and Peter St Aubyn were mentioned from 1714 to 1715.
     Mary de la Hay made a will dated 13 June 1717.
     Mary died before 26 October 1718 in Crowan, Cornwall. She was buried on 26 October 1718 in Crowan.

     Peter de la Hay was born say 1650.
     Peter resided at Soho, Westminster.

     Henry de la Mare was born. He was the son of Sir Wiliam de la Mare and Basile. Sir William died before Oct 1239.
Chris Phillips wrote to the Gen-Medieval Mailing list: Under "Mare or de la Mare" (CP v. 8, p. 463) appears John de la Mare, son of Matthew de la Mare by Florence, eldest daughter and coheir of Roger de Akeni or Akeny of Bradwell. Some further information about Matthew is given in a chart pedigree. (This John married Pernel de Dunstanville, the widow of Robert de Montfort (d. 1274), described as a younger son of Piers de Montfort [thus presumably a younger brother of the Piers who married Maud/Matilda de la Mare].)
Although these two Matthew de la Mares are contemporaries, it does appear that they are different men, so that Maud/Matilda was not the sister of John de la Mare of Bradwell.
At Lincoln; in eight days of Trinty, 34 Henry III, [29 May, 1250]. Between Henry de la Mare, plaintiff, and Bartholomew de Castorp, tenant, of the firth part of 2 bovates of land and [the fifth part of] 4-1/2 acres of wood in Herlaueston.
Plea. Bartholomew has ackknowledged the land and wood to be the right of Henry, and has rendered the wood to him in the same court; to hold of him and his heirs of the chief lords of that fee for ever; doing therefor all services which to the wood belong. And for this Henry has granted the land to which Bartholomew together with 1 messuage which Henry heretofore held in the same vill, and 4 acres of land in the same vill, whereof 2 acres lie in the field which is called Northfeld, and 2 lie in 'the field which is called Suthfeud, and with the fifth part of Henry's pasture which is between the wood which was heretofore of William de Mortimer and Henry's wood in the same vill; to hold to Bartholomew and his heirs of Henry and his heirs for ever; rendering therefor yearly 8d. at the feast of St Michael for all service and demand. Henry and his heirs shall warrant to Bartholomew and his heirs the said tenement, which remains to them by this concord, by the said service against all men for ever. And for this Bartholomew has granted to Henry the whole part which came to Bartholomew of this messuage which formerly was of William de Herlaveston, Bartholomew's uncle, whose heir he is, in the same vill; to hold to Henry and his heirs of Bartholomew and his heirs for ever; rendering therefor yearly one clove gillyflower at the feast of St Michael for all service, homage, fealty, relief, wardship, suit of courts, aids, custom and demand. And Bartholomew and his heirs shall warrant to Henry and his
heirs the said part of the messuage, which remains quit to him by this fine, by the said service agaianst all men for ever.
     Henry died in 1257.

     Maud de la Mare was born circa 1242. She is sometimes described as the daughter & heir of Matthew, son of Henry de la Mare.
Terry Mair wrote: In my charts I have Mathilda De La Mare born abt. 1242 who married Peter de Montfort, some of the information I have found says she is a sister to John Lord of Bradwell, and that she was the daughter of Matthew, is this correct, in the Victorian county records she is only refered to as being the granddaughter of Henry De La Mare, so I guess my question is, is John her brother or are these two completely different families?
Chris Phillips responded: Complete Peerage vol. 9, p. 127 has Peter/Piers married, circa 1260, to Maud, daughter and heir of Matthew, son of Henry de la Mare, "with whom he had Ashtead in Surrey" (citing Victoria County History of Surrey, vol. 3, p. 248). It comments that their son John appears to have been of age in 1284/5.
Then under "Mare or de la Mare" (vol. 8, p. 463) appears John de la Mare, son of Matthew de la Mare by Florence, eldest daughter and coheir of Roger de Akeni or Akeny of Bradwell. Some further information about Matthew is given in a chart pedigree. (To complicate matters, this John married Pernel de Dunstanville, the widow of Robert de Montfort (d. 1274), described as a younger son of Piers de Montfort [thus presumably a younger brother of the Piers who married Maud/Matilda de la Mare].) Although these two Matthew de la Mares are contemporaries, it does appear that they are different men, so that Maud/Matilda was not the sister of John de la Mare of Bradwell. This was discussed by Richard Borthwick in 1999.

Douglas Richardson on the GEN-Medieval mailing list also stated:
It is commonly stated that Maud de la Mare was the daughter and heiress of Sir Matthew de la Mare (died 1270), of Bradwell, Essex, by his wife, Florence de Akeny. This error is found in many sources, one of them being Leo's great website. That Sir Matthew de la Mare was actually survived by a son and heir, John, is indicated by a well documented chart found in Complete Peerage, 8 (1932): foll. pg. 464.
The confusion over Maud's parentage appears to have been caused by the fact that Sir Matthew de la Mare was one of the executors of Maud's father's estate. In that capacity, Sir Matthew de la Mare founded a perpetual chantry at Ashtead, Surrey in 1261 in honor of Sir Henry de la Mare (Maud's real father), his ancestors and descendants.
That Maud de la Mare was actually the daughter of Sir Henry de la Mare died 1257), is proven by a document dated 1265 found in Calendar of Close Rolls, 1264-1265 (1937), pg. 55, which reads as follows:
"Pro Matilli filia Henrici de la Mare. - Rex Willelmo de Wenling', escaetori suo citra Trentam, salutem. Monstravit nobis Matildis filia Henrici de la Mare quod, cum dudum contulissemus eidem Henrico custodiam terrarum Willelmi Ortye defuncti qui de nobis tenuit in capite habendam sibi et assignatis suis cum feodis militum, wardis et aliis ad dictam custodiam pertinentibus, et idem Henricus dudum ante mortem suam custiodiam illam assignasset eidem Matildi habendam usque
ad legitimam etatem heredem ejusdem Willelmi ..."

The above document states that before his death, Henry de la Mare
assigned custody of the lands of William de l'Orty deceased to his daughter, Maud, until the heir of the said William came of age. I have elsewhere shown that the Henry de la Mare who had possession of the de l'Orty lands was Sir Henry de la Mare, the royal justice, who died in 1257. She was the daughter of Henry de la Mare.
Maud de la Mare married Piers de Montfort, son of Sir Piers de Montfort Lord of Beaudesert and Alice de Audley, circa 1260.

     Charles de la Motte married Frances Amelia Dobson, daughter of John Savage Dobson and Elizabeth Dick Dunbar, in 1877. They had no issue.

     Caroline de la Rue was born in 1875 in Wagga Wagga, New South Wales.
Caroline de la Rue married George Robert Hinchley, son of James Hinchley and Isabella Ramsey, in 1893 in Narrandera, New South Wales.
     Caroline died on 14 September 1952 in Balmain District, New South Wales. She was the daughter of Charles A De La Rue (c.1822-1892) & Emma Hinds (1833-1919).

     Ada De Lessert's birth was registered in the quarter ending in September 1867 in Coventry, Warwickshire. She was the daughter of Robert Killigrew De Lessert and Elizabeth Farmer. Susan, Cecelia, Annie and Ada were listed as the children of Robert Killigrew De Lessert in the 1871 census in 8 Stoney Stanton Rd, Coventry, Holy Trinity, Warwickshire. Ada De Lessert was listed as Robert Killigrew De Lessert's daughter in the 1881 census.
     Ada De Lessert and Annie De Lessert were recorded on the 1891 census in 2 Bridge Terrace, Coventry, Warwickshire. Annie De Lessert, head, single, 27, pawnbroker's assistant, and her sister Ada De Lessert, single 23, stationer's assistant, both born at Coventry. Ada De Lessert was listed as John Ellis's sister-in-law in the 1901 census in 37 ... Gosford St, Coventry, Warwickshire.
The marriage of Ada De Lessert and Charles Joseph or William Richard Bradley or Simpson was registered in Coventry RD, Warwickshire, in the March 1904 quarter.

     Alfred Alexander De Lessert was born say 1810. He was the grandson of de Lessert of the Court of Louis XVI, A descendant Jerry Gardner states he was the son of Alford Delessert (b Dublin 1770) and Mark Antoince was born in France in 1795.. He was the son of Marc Antoine? De Lessert. Alfred was a dentist.
Alfred Alexander De Lessert married Martha Georgiana Dunbar, daughter of Major John Killigrew Dunbar and Jane Mary Vivian, on 7 April 1832 in St Peter, Dublin, Ireland. She was of York St at the time and the witness was G A F Halahan, her half brother's brother in law.
Alfred Alexander De Lessert was listed in a directory dated 1839 as Alfred de Lessert, dentist at Stephen's Green North, Dublin, Ireland.
     Alfred died before 13 September 1859 in Coventry RD, Warwickshire. He was buried on 13 September 1859 in London Rd Civic Cemetery, Coventry.

     Alfred Alexander De Lessert's birth was registered in the quarter ending before 12 February 1847 in Wolverhampton, Staffordshire. He was christened on 12 February 1847. Alfred Alexander, son of Charles Grierson & Eliza Ann De Lessert, of St John's Square, dentist. He was the son of Charles Grierson De Lessert and Eliza Ann Boreham.
The marriage of Alfred Alexander De Lessert and Frances Hannah C Mayer was registered in Gloucester RD, Gloucestershire, in the June 1872 quarter.
     Alfred Alexander De Lessert and Frances Hannah C Mayer were recorded on the 1881 census in 220 Union St, Old Machar, Aberdeenshire, Scotland. Akfred A de Lessert, 34, dentist in practice, born England, wife Frances H C aged 38 born England.
     Alfred Alexander De Lessert and Frances Hannah C Mayer were recorded on the 1891 census in Old Machar, Aberdeenshire. Akfred A de Lessert, 44, dentist in practice, born England, wife Frances H C aged 48 born England.
     Alfred died on 4 July 1907 in Gloucester, Gloucestershire. Alfred Alexander dDe Lessert, L.D.S., Aberdeen. Former medical students of Aberdeen UJniversity, and particularly those who spent some time in the University company of the Royal Army Medical Corps (Volunteers) during the years 1889 to 1903, will hear with much regret of the death at Gloucester, on July 4th, of Mr Alfred Alexander De Lessert, L.D.S., R.C.S.Ire. Mr De Lessert, who had been. in ill health for some time, was born at Wolverhampton over sixty years ago, and received his eclucation at King William's College, Isle of Man. He belonged to a family of dentists, his father and other immediate relatives having occupied leading positions as dental surgeons. He settled in Aberdeen in 1869, and began a practice which developed very largely, and for a long period he was one of the leading dental surgeons in Aberdeen and the north of Scotland. While resident in Aberdeen, Mr. De Lessert was dental surgeon to the Aberdeen Dispensary, to the Boys' and Girls' Hospital, and to the Royal Hospital for Sick Children. He was twice married, first to Miss Mayer, daughter of Mr Samuel Mayer, solicitor, Gloucester, and secondly to Miss Rubberds (sister of the Bishop of Brechin and niece of the late Lord Sempill), by whom he is survived. Mr.De Lessert was a prominent member of the Medical Staff Corps. He was gazetted Quartermaster in 1889, when the Aberdeen company originated, and, passing the proficiency examination in the following year, he took rank as Quartermaster and Lieutenant in the corps. The duties of this office he performed in a most excellent manner, and he proved a most popular and efficient officer, whose resignation a few years ago was received with much regret. Old corps members will recall vividly his exceedingly courteous and dignified presence, his kindly manner, his skill as a raconteur. and his mastery of all the detail of a quartermaster's duty, particularly where it concerned the comfort of the volunteers when in camp. About two years ago he left Aberdeen and took up residence in Gloucester.

     Annie De Lessert's birth was registered in the quarter ending in June 1864 in Coventry RD, Warwickshire. She was the daughter of Robert Killigrew De Lessert and Elizabeth Farmer. Susan, Cecelia, Annie and Ada were listed as the children of Robert Killigrew De Lessert in the 1871 census in 8 Stoney Stanton Rd, Coventry, Holy Trinity, Warwickshire. Annie De Lessert was listed as Herbert Wood's niece in the 1881 census in 54 Dudley St, Wolverhampton, Staffordshire.
     Annie De Lessert and Ada De Lessert were recorded on the 1891 census in 2 Bridge Terrace, Coventry, Warwickshire. Annie De Lessert, head, single, 27, pawnbroker's assistant, and her sister Ada De Lessert, single 23, stationer's assistant, both born at Coventry.
Annie De Lessert married Benjamin or James Harrison or Manning before 1 October 1896 in Coventry RD Warwickshire.

     Cecelia De Lessert was also known as Celeena in records. She was born before April 1857 in Birmingham, Warwickshire. She was the daughter of Robert Killigrew De Lessert and Elizabeth Farmer. Cecelia and Susan were listed as the children of Robert Killigrew De Lessert in the 1861 census in 8 Byron St, Coventry, Warwickshire. Susan, Cecelia, Annie and Ada were listed as the children of Robert Killigrew De Lessert in the 1871 census in 8 Stoney Stanton Rd, Coventry, Holy Trinity, Warwickshire. Cecelia De Lessert was buried on 2 February 1882 in London Rd Civic Cemetery, Coventry.
     Cecelia died on 2 February 1882 in Coventry RD, Warwickshire.

     Charles Grierson De Lessert was born before April 1818 in Dublin, Ireland. An Alfred married Susan Grierson in 1802 with a Dublin marriage licence - they seem likely to be parents. An Alfred De Lessert of Finglass, Dublin, goldsmith's will was proved 1830. He was the son of Marc Antoine? De Lessert.
Charles Grierson De Lessert married Eliza Ann Boreham on 19 November 1845 in Christ Church, Stone, Staffordshire.
     Charles Grierson De Lessert and Eliza Ann Boreham were recorded on the 1861 census in Waterloo Rd, Wolverhampton, Staffordshire. Charles G De Lessert, head, 43, dentist, born Ireland, his wife Eliza A, 46, born Stone, Staffordshire, daughter Harriet aged 5, born Wolverhampton with a cook and a house servant.
     Charles Grierson De Lessert was recorded on the 1871 census in 10 Waterloo Rd, Wolverhampton, Staffordshire. Charles Grierson De Lessert, widower, aged 53?, dentist, licentiate Royal College of Surgeons of England?, member of the Odontological Society of Gt Britain, born Dublin, Ireland, his daughter [sic] Eliza Anne, 22, born Wolverhampton, Sts and nieces Helena Emily de Lessett, aged 38 and Frances Helena, 19, both born Dublin with a cook and general servant.
     Charles Grierson De Lessert were recorded on the 1881 census in 4 Waterloo Rd, Wolverhampton, Staffordshire. Charles G De Lessert, widower, aged 63, Dental Surgeon, born Dublin, Ireland, with his daugher Harriett, unmarried, 25, born Wolverhampton, Helena E, niece, 48, born Dublin, Anne E Kitchem, niece, 45, born Stone, Staffordshire, and a cook and housemaid.
     Charles's death was registered in the quarter ending on 17 April 1886 in Wolverhampton, Staffordshire. He was buried on 20 April 1886 in Bushbury, Staffordshire. Charles Grierson De Lessert of Wolverhampton, aged 69.
     His will was proved on 25 February 1887. The will of Charles Grierson de Lessert late of Wolverhapton, Stafford, surgeon dentist who died 17 April 1886 at Wolverhampton was proved at Lichfield... Personal estate worth £304/3/3.

     Eliza Anne De Lessert's birth was registered in the quarter ending in March 1849 in Wolverhampton, Staffordshire. She was the daughter of Charles Grierson De Lessert and Eliza Ann Boreham.
     Eliza Anne De Lessert and Helena Emily Dunbar De Lessert were recorded on the 1861 census in Codsall House, Codsall, Staffordshire. Helena E De Lessert 28, unmarried gentlewoman, born Ireland & Eliza A De Lessert 12, scholar, born Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, were visitors in the large household of William & Jane Dent - he was a solicitor. Eliza Anne De Lessert was listed as Charles Grierson De Lessert's daughter in the 1871 census in 10 Waterloo Rd, Wolverhampton, Staffordshire.
Eliza Anne De Lessert married Samuel James or William Millichamp or Thompson before 1 October 1880 in Wolverhampton RD, Staffordshire. I cannot identify either couple in the 1881 census.

     Four other children De Lessert was born say 1841 in Ireland. He was the son of Alfred Alexander De Lessert and Martha Georgiana Dunbar. Four died young.

     Frances Helena De Lessert was born before April 1852 in Dublin, Ireland. She was the daughter of Alfred Alexander De Lessert and Martha Georgiana Dunbar. Frances Helena De Lessert was listed as Charles Grierson De Lessert's niece in the 1871 census in 10 Waterloo Rd, Wolverhampton, Staffordshire. Charles Grierson De Lessert, widower, aged 53?, dentist, licentiate Royal College of Surgeons of England?, member of the Odontological Society of Gt Britain, born Dublin, Ireland, his daughter [sic] Eliza Anne, 22, born Wolverhampton, Sts and nieces Helena Emily de Lessett, aged 38 and Frances Helena, 19, both born Dublin with a cook and general servant.
Frances Helena De Lessert married Herbert Wood before 1 July 1876 in Wolverhampton RD, Staffordshire.
     Frances Helena De Lessert and Herbert Wood were recorded on the 1881 census in 54 Dudley St, Wolverhampton, Staffordshire. Herbert Wood, head, 34, tobacconist, born Wolverhampton, his wife Frances Helena aged 29, born Dublin, Helena de Lesset, daughter, born Wolverthampton. aged 3 weeks/months? Frances Mary 4, daughter, born Wolverhampton, Annie De Lessert, niece, unmarried 16 scholar, born Coventry, Warwickshire and a domestic servant.
     Frances Helena De Lessert and Herbert Wood were recorded on the 1891 census in 2 Rupert St, Wolverhampton, Staffordshire. Herbert Wood, 44, cigar merchant, born Wolverhampton, his wife Frances H 39, born Dublin, Ireland and their children Mary F 14, Edith G 11, Ellen D 10, Dorothy M, 8, Elizabeth N 7, Leila M, 4, John A 1, with sisters Caroline 42 & Elizabeth 35 living on own means, with a cook and kitchen maid, all born at Wolverhampton.
     Frances Helena De Lessert and Herbert Wood were recorded on the 1901 census in Wolverhampton, Staffordshire. Herbert Wood, 54, cigar merchant, born Wolverhampton, his wife Frances H 49, born Dublin, Ireland and their children Frances M 24,teacher of music & .... Edith J B? 21, assistant in cigar shop, Helen D 20, Norah G/B? 17, Leila M, 14, John A 11, Charles D 8, all born at Wolverhampton.

     George Alfred De Lessert was born in September 1849 in Dublin, Ireland.
     George died in September 1849 in Capel St, Dublin, Ireland. He was the son of Alfred Alexander De Lessert and Martha Georgiana Dunbar. George Alfred De Lessert was buried on 24 September 1849 in St Mary, Dublin. He was aged 3 weeks.

     Harriet De Lessert's birth was registered in the quarter ending in December 1855 in Wolverhampton, Staffordshire. She was the daughter of Charles Grierson De Lessert and Eliza Ann Boreham. Harriet was listed as the daughter of Charles Grierson De Lessert in the 1861 census in Waterloo Rd, Wolverhampton, Staffordshire. Charles G De Lessert, head, 43, dentist, born Ireland, his wife Eliza A, 46, born Stone, Staffordshire, daughter Harriet aged 5, born Wolverhampton with a cook and a house servant. Harriet De Lessert was listed as Charles Grierson De Lessert's daughter in the 1881 census.

     Helena Emily Dunbar De Lessert was born before April 1833 in Dublin, Ireland. She was the daughter of Alfred Alexander De Lessert and Martha Georgiana Dunbar.
     Helena Emily Dunbar De Lessert and Eliza Anne De Lessert were recorded on the 1861 census in Codsall House, Codsall, Staffordshire. Helena E De Lessert 28, unmarried gentlewoman, born Ireland & Eliza A De Lessert 12, scholar, born Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, were visitors in the large household of William & Jane Dent - he was a solicitor. Helena Emily Dunbar De Lessert was listed as Charles Grierson De Lessert's niece in the 1871 census in 10 Waterloo Rd, Wolverhampton, Staffordshire. Charles Grierson De Lessert, widower, aged 53?, dentist, licentiate Royal College of Surgeons of England?, member of the Odontological Society of Gt Britain, born Dublin, Ireland, his daughter [sic] Eliza Anne, 22, born Wolverhampton, Sts and nieces Helena Emily de Lessett, aged 38 and Frances Helena, 19, both born Dublin with a cook and general servant. Helena Emily Dunbar De Lessert was listed as Charles Grierson De Lessert's niece in the 1881 census in 4 Waterloo Rd, Wolverhampton, Staffordshire.
     Helena died before 13 February 1892 in Bridgwater RD, Somerset, England. She was buried on 13 February 1892 in All Saints, Ashcott, Somerset.

     Marc Antoine? De Lessert was also known as Mark Antony Alfred Delessert in records.

He may be the Alfred De Lessart of Finglass, co. Dublin, goldsmith who died intestate in 1830..

     Maria died in Ireland. She was born in Ireland. She was the daughter of Alfred Alexander De Lessert and Martha Georgiana Dunbar.

     Robert Killigrew De Lessert was born circa 1835 in Dubllin, Ireland. He was the son of Alfred Alexander De Lessert and Martha Georgiana Dunbar.
     Robert Killigrew De Lessert was recorded on the 1851 census in Church Lane, Wolverhampton, Staffordshire. Robert De Lessert, unmarried aged 16, dentist, born Dublin, Ireland was lodging with the Steventon family, brush makers. Robert was a dentist,Wolverhampton.
The marriage of Robert Killigrew De Lessert and Elizabeth Farmer was registered in Wolverhampton RD in the September 1858 quarter.
     Robert Killigrew De Lessert and Elizabeth Farmer were recorded on the 1861 census in 8 Byron St, Coventry, Warwickshire. Robert De Lessert, 27, journeyman dentist, born Dublin, Ireland, with his wife Elizabeth, 31, born Little Heaywood, and daughters Cecilia, 4, born Kidderminster and Helena 2, born Birmingham.
     Robert Killigrew De Lessert and Elizabeth Farmer were recorded on the 1871 census in 8 Stoney Stanton Rd, Coventry, Holy Trinity, Warwickshire. Robert de Lessert, head, 38, Dentist assist, born Dublin, Ireland; his wife Elizabeth, 43, born Kidderminster?, children Celeena 14, scholar, born Birmingham; Susan 12, born Coventry, Annie 6, ditto, Ada 3, ditto.
     Robert Killigrew De Lessert and Elizabeth Farmer were recorded on the 1881 census in Coventry, Warwickshire. Robert K. De Lesset 46, dentist, born Dublin; Elizabeth G. De Lesset 55 wife, born .... Staffordshire, children Susan H. De Lesset 21,relief ... born ..., Ada De Lesset 13, scholar, born Coventry; Mary A. Smith 32, Hannah Smith 30 - spearate house but described as sisters. Their daughter Annie 16, born Coventry, was in the household of her uncle and aunt Frances Helena Wood. Cecilia aged 24, dressmaker, born Staffordshire, was a visitor in the household of Charles Farmer.
     Robert died before 30 April 1890 in Warwick RD, Warwickshire, England. He was buried on 30 April 1890 in London Rd Civic Cemetery, Coventry.

     Susan Helena De Lessert was also known as Helena in records. She's birth was registered in the quarter ending in June 1859 in Birmingham, Warwickshire. She was the daughter of Robert Killigrew De Lessert and Elizabeth Farmer. Cecelia and Susan were listed as the children of Robert Killigrew De Lessert in the 1861 census in 8 Byron St, Coventry, Warwickshire. Susan, Cecelia, Annie and Ada were listed as the children of Robert Killigrew De Lessert in the 1871 census in 8 Stoney Stanton Rd, Coventry, Holy Trinity, Warwickshire. Susan Helena De Lessert was listed as Robert Killigrew De Lessert's daughter in the 1881 census.
The marriage of Susan Helena De Lessert and John Ellis was registered in Coventry RD, Warwickshire, in the September 1882 quarter.
     Susan Helena De Lessert and John Ellis were recorded on the 1891 census in 1 Bridge Tce, Coventry, Warwickshire. John Ellis, 38, pawnbroker, born Coventry, wife Susan H, 32, born Birmingham, children Lily6, Nellie 5, Bertie F 2, all born Coventry; next door was Annnie de Lessert aged 27, pawnbroker's assistant and her sister Ada 23, stationer's asstistant, born born Coventry.
     Susan Helena De Lessert and John Ellis were recorded on the 1901 census in 37 ... Gosford St, Coventry, Warwickshire. John Ellis, head, 48, pawnbroker, his wife Susan H, 41, children Lily 16, typist, Betty 15, draper's assistant, Bertie F, 12, Ada de Lessert, sister-in-law, single, draper's assistant, all born at Coventry, with a general domestic servant.
     Susan's death was registered in the quarter ending in June 1909 in Coventry RD Warwickshire.

     Agnes de Lisle was born say 1200 in England.
Agnes de Lisle married Warin FitzGerald, son of Henry FitzGerald and Ermentrude de Ferrers (de Grendon), before 1234.

     Agnes de Lisle married Robert de Lisle 3rd Baron, son of John de Lisle 2nd Baron and Maud or Matilda Grey, before 10 August 1359.

     Alborou (Albreda?) de Lisle was born say 1326. She became a nun at Chicksands with her sister. She was the daughter of Robert de Lisle and Margaret de Beauchamp.

     Alice de Lisle was born say 1315. She was the daughter of Robert de Lisle and Margaret de Beauchamp.
Alice de Lisle married Robert Peverel in 1330. This marriage is very unlikely to be for the same Alice.
Alice de Lisle married Thomas de Seymour before 1339. Shortly before her father's ddeath (in January 1342–3) he took religious orders, having previously in 1339 granted Pishobury with other manors to his daughters Alice, wife of Sir Thomas Seymour, and Elizabeth Peverel for life, with remainder to his son John, who quitclaimed to his sisters. (fn. 82) This grant was apparently made by Robert for the performance of certain alms. (fn. 83) In 1343, however, John obtained from Alice and Elizabeth a release of the manor for thirty years, with the exception of certain premises—viz. the house on the left-hand side within the second gate, which contained two chambers for habitation, and the park of Gedelesho, which belonged to the manor, John retaining 12 acres of underwood yearly with profits from the land called Vodeleye and housbote and heybote for the manor, the keeper of Gedelesho Wood to be chosen with the assent of both parties and to have his robe from Alice and his livery of corn, &c., from John. (fn. 84) John Lord Lisle died seised of the lease in 1356. (fn. 85) After his death Alice Seymour surrendered Pishobury to his son Robert, who was to assist her in the foundation of charities begun by Sir John Lisle for the soul of his father. (fn. 86) In 1368 Robert Lisle granted his knights' fees and the courts held for his tenants at Walbrook and Farningho, co. Essex, to the king. (fn. 87) This transaction has led to the inference that he had no legitimate issue, but one pedigree gives him a son William, (fn. 88) and a William Lisle granted Pishobury in March 1392–3 to Richard first Lord Scrope of Bolton, (fn. 89) this transaction being followed in 1394 by a quitclaim from Sir Robert Lisle. (fn. 90) From: 'Parishes: Sawbridgeworth', A History of the County of Hertford: volume 3 (1912), pp. 332-347. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=43625&strquery=insula rougemont Date accessed: 12 March 2012..
Alice de Seynt Maure, received a manor from her brother John de Lisle. Alice de Lisle was mentioned at the Inquisition Post Mortem held on 23 March 1341/42 on the death of Robert de Lisle. Robert del Isle. Writ to the escheator of co. Cambs, etc. to inquire what lands etc. the said Robert held on the day when he was professed in an order of religion etc 23 March 16 Edw III.
Cambs: Inq. taken at Cottenham, 23 April - He held no lands. etc in the county on the day he was professed.
John his son aged 24 & more, is his next heir.
Similar writ to the escheator whi is also to inquire whether the said Robert alienated any lands etc to anyone 3 May 16 Edw III.
Cambs: Inq. taken at Holytone 15 May. Manors of Ramptone, Cotenham & Westwyk & advowdson of church of Wynepol, but alienated them to Alice, daughter of Robert de Insula, Elizabeth Peverell, Richard de Baiocis, Wm de Ruston, Edmunde de Benhale & Henry Ewenny, to hold to them, during their lives, of the said Robert & his heirs, doing the serviced thereto pertaining to the chief lords of that fee, with remainder to John, his son, as appears in a fine levied inthe king's court. The said manor of Rampton is held of John Burdeleys, as of the manor of Maddyngle, by knight's service. The manor of Cotenham is held of the bishop of Ely, by knight's service. The manor of Westwyck and the advowson fo the church of Wynepol, with a certain manor in the town of Great Wilburgham, which the said Robert, before he assumed the habit of religion, alienated to the said John, his son and heir, are held of the earl of Brittany, by service of a sore sparrow-hawk, or half a mark yearly. The said Robert, who held the manor of Coveneye, alienated it long before he assumed the habit of religion, to the aforesaid Alice, etc. to hold to them, for their lives, of the said Robert and his hiers, with remainder to John his son, as appears by fine levied in the king's court. The said manor of Coveneye is held of the prior and convent of Ely, as in socage and by service of 5s yearly. He held no lands etc. in the county on the day he assumed the habit of religion.
     Similar writ to the escheator in co. Oxford, etc. 3 May.
Oxford: Inq. taken at Oxford, 18 May. Hayford Warin. The said Robert, long before he assumed the habit of religion, alienated the manor oto the said Alice etc for their lives, by fine levied in the king's court, at Westminster, 3 weeks from the day of St Michael, 13 Edw III; and it is held of the earl of Cornwall by service of a fifth part of a knight's fee. He held no lands etc. in the bailiwick on the day he was professed. John his son, aged 24 years is his next heir.
Similar writ to the escheator in co. Essex etc. 3 May.
Essex. Inq. taken at Herllawe 17 May. He held no lands etc. in fee in the county on the day he assumed the habit of religion or before.
Hertford. Inq. taken at Ware, 15 May 16 Edw III:
Pysshobury. He held the manor, but long before he assumed the habit of religion he alienated the same to Alice & Elizabeth, daughters of Robert de Isle, Richard de Bayeuse, William de Russhton, Edmund de Benhale and Henry Ewenay, to hold to them for their lives, of the chief lords of that fee, by the accustomed services, with remainder to John his son, to hold for life as above, with further successive remainders to Robert, son of the said John, and the heirs of his body, to hold as above, and to John brother of the said Robert, son of John, and the heirs of his body, to hold as above. The manor is held of Geoffrey de Say, Knight, by service of three knights' fees and three-quarters.
He held no lands etc. in the country of the day he assumd the habit of religion.
John his son, aged 23 years and more, is his next heir. Alice de Lisle was the subject of an Inquisition Post Mortem held in Northampton, Northamptonshire, on 5 May 1349. This is unlikely to be the same person as Alice, late the wife of Robert Peverel. Writ 5 May 23 Edward III.
Northampton. Inq. taken at Northampton, 26 June, 23 Edw III.
Assheby David. The manor (extent given) including 120 acres arable worth 40 sh and no more for want of servants because of the common pestilence and whereas there used to be 24 bondsmen now only 6 survive, held for her life of the heir of Larence de Hastyngges, late earl of Pembroke, a minor in the king's wardship, by knight's service.
All the lands ec. in Chaddiston by Assheby were pertaining to the said manor on the day the said Alice died, and came into the hands of John del Isle immediately after her death, by what right the jurors know not.
She died on Wednesday after the Close of Easter last. John Peverel, aged 19 years at Whitsuntide last, is her heir.

     Alice de Lisle was born circa 1310?. She was the daughter of Warin de Lisle and Alice Tyes.
Alice de Lisle married Sir John Grey before 20 October 1330.
     Alice died after 1344.

     Alice de Lisle was the daughter of John de Lisle 2nd Baron and Maud or Matilda Grey.
Pishobury: The manor called SAWBRIDGEWORTH down to the end of the 13th century, and after that PISHO or PISHOBURY originated in a grant of 74 librates of land at Sawbridgeworth, which Geoffrey de Mandeville the elder (ob. 1144) made to Warin and Henry Fitz Gerold, to hold by the service of one knight for each 20 librates. (fn. 71) Grants were made by Warin and Henry to Bury St. Edmunds and Reading Abbey (see Tednambury and Groves); the remainder of the land formed the manor of Pishobury. Henry, who survived his brother, left two sons, Warin and Henry. Margaret, daughter and heir of Warin, married Baldwin de Redvers, Earl of Devon, whom she survived, and secondly Falkes de Breauté, who forfeited in 1224. The manor was granted to Margaret during the king's pleasure. (fn. 72) In 1248 Margaret levied a fine with William de Say, by which it was agreed that William and his heirs were to have free warren throughout the vill of Sawbridgeworth including Margaret's demesnes, the warren to be kept by William's warrener, whilst Margaret and her heirs were to have free chase in her fee with dogs, birds or nets, and free fishery in the river where it adjoined her lands. (fn. 73) Baldwin de Redvers, Earl of Devon, son and heir of Margaret, died in February 1244–5 (fn. 74) and his son Baldwin in 1262, (fn. 75) leaving no issue. His widow Margaret had seisin of the manor. (fn. 76) She married Roger Aguilon, (fn. 77) and held the manor until her death in 1292. (fn. 78) It then passed to Isabella Countess of Albemarle, sister of Baldwin, (fn. 79) who died in 1293, having survived her only daughter Avelina, wife of Edmund Earl of Lancaster. Her cousin Hugh de Courtenay, great-grandson of Mary daughter of William de Redvers (father of the first-mentioned Baldwin), was her heir, but Warin Lisle (de Insula) had a grant of the issues of the manor in 1294 to hold until Hugh came of age, (fn. 80) and in 1310 his son Robert successfully claimed the manor against Hugh de Courtenay by descent from Henry the brother of Warin above mentioned (son of Henry Fitz Gerold), whose daughter Alice married Robert Lisle of Rougemont and was father of Robert, father of Warin, father of the plaintiff. (fn. 81)

Lisle. Gules a leopard argent crowned or.
Robert Lisle was summoned to Parliament as Lord Lisle from 1311. Shortly before his death (in January 1342–3) he took religious orders, having previously in 1339 granted Pishobury with other manors to his daughters Alice, wife of Sir Thomas Seymour, and Elizabeth Peverel for life, with remainder to his son John, who quitclaimed to his sisters. (fn. 82) This grant was apparently made by Robert for the performance of certain alms. (fn. 83) In 1343, however, John obtained from Alice and Elizabeth a release of the manor for thirty years, with the exception of certain premises—viz. the house on the left-hand side within the second gate, which contained two chambers for habitation, and the park of Gedelesho, which belonged to the manor, John retaining 12 acres of underwood yearly with profits from the land called Vodeleye and housbote and heybote for the manor, the keeper of Gedelesho Wood to be chosen with the assent of both parties and to have his robe from Alice and his livery of corn, &c., from John. (fn. 84) John Lord Lisle died seised of the lease in 1356. (fn. 85) After his death Alice Seymour surrendered Pishobury to his son Robert, who was to assist her in the foundation of charities begun by Sir John Lisle for the soul of his father. (fn. 86) In 1368 Robert Lisle granted his knights' fees and the courts held for his tenants at Walbrook and Farningho, co. Essex, to the king. (fn. 87) This transaction has led to the inference that he had no legitimate issue, but one pedigree gives him a son William, (fn. 88) and a William Lisle granted Pishobury in March 1392–3 to Richard first Lord Scrope of Bolton, (fn. 89) this transaction being followed in 1394 by a quitclaim from Sir Robert Lisle. (fn. 90) From: 'Parishes: Sawbridgeworth', A History of the County of Hertford: volume 3 (1912), pp. 332-347. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=43625&strquery=insula rougemont Date accessed: 12 March 2012..
From: "Douglas Richardson"
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Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002
Subject: Re: John Lisle - Maud de Grey
I believe that John de Lisle, 2nd Lord Lisle of Rougemont, was the father of the newly discovered Alice de Lisle, wife of Robert de Holand, the younger. However, beyond Alice's father being named John de Lisle, I haven't found any evidence yet which specifically links the Holand family or their heirs, the Lovel family, to the Lords Lisle of Rougemont.
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> mthiesse@swbell.net ("malinda") wrote in message
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> > My records show John de Insula, 2nd Lord Lisle de Rougemont,
My reference is a chart titled Barony of Aldeburgh. Their son Robert, Lord Lisle de Rougemont (Lord of Harwood), 3rd Baron, (summoned to Parliament as Lord Lisle of Rougemont, 20 Nov. 1360) ob. s.p. 1399. His sister Elizabeth de Insula was his heir, who m. 1365 William de Aldeburgh (Lord of Harwood Castle, co. Durham, j.ux.), summoned to Parliament as Baron Aldeburgh, 8 Jan. 137; Gent. of Privy Chamber to David II, KIng of Scots; bur. at Aldburgh, in Richmondshire, 1388.