Elizabeth Unknown - not de Lisle
(before 1340 - circa 1378)
Elizabeth Unknown - not de Lisle was also known as Insula in records. She was born before 1340 in England. She is unlikely to be a de Lisle.
There is no mention of her in her assumed father's documents, see Parker. Douglas Richardson wrote on the Gen-Medieval mailing list 2 Feb 2008: The authoritative Complete Peerage, 1 (1910): 101-102 (sub Aldeburgh) has a brief account of the history of Sir William de Aldeburgh, Knt (died 1388), 1st Lord Aldeburgh. Regarding the parentage of his wife, Elizabeth, who died in or before 1378, the following information is supplied in footnote e on page 101:
"Most genealogists assume that Elizabeth was sister of Robert [de Lisle], though Ralph Brooke (Discoverie of certaine Errours in the Britannia, 1596, p. 66) denies this, and says she was the sister of John, Robert's father. But there is no known authority for either relationship. The arms of L'Isle, and those of Aldeburgh (as above), occur among those seen by Glover at Harewood. (Foster, ut supra, pp.
466-8). V.G." .
Thus, while Mr Gibbs, the editor of Complete Peerage, questions Elizabeth de Aldeburgh's parentage, he leaves the door open to the possibility that she might have been a Lisle. That she was neither the sister of Robert de Lisle, nor of his father, is proven, however, by Elizabeth de Aldeburgh's own seal which has been available in print since 1896. A description of this seal is found in Birch, Catalogue of Seals in the British Museum, volum 6801. [A.D. 1368]. Red: fine but fragmentary, [Add. ch. 26,770.]
An angel, half-length, wearing an embroidered robe, supporting before him two small shields of arms: dex., a lion rampant, Aldeburgh (see previous seal), sin., a lion rampant. Within a carved gothic panel. Legend wanting." [Reference: Birch Cat. of Seals in the British Museum 2 (1892): 412].
This item may be viewed at the following weblink:
http://books.google.com/books?id=JhMaAAAAIAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=editions:07Fwza-a_OaBmfrQ_9#PPA412,M1
As can be seen above, the arms of Elizabeth de Aldeburgh are displayed on her seal as being a lion rampant. The Lisle arms, on the other hand, are well known and they are completely different, they being: Or, a fess between two chevronels Sable [Reference: Beltz, Memorials of the Most Noble Order of the Garter (1841): 42-44].
The Lisle arms are also displayed at the following weblink:
http://books.google.com/books?id=Y-MNAAAAQAAJ&pg=RA6-PA25&dq=Aldeburgh+Lisle#PRA6-PA30,M1
Thus, on the basis of heraldic evidence, it is clear that Elizabeth, wife of William de Aldeburgh, 1st Lord Aldeburgh, was NOT a member of the Lisle family, as alleged by Brooke, Beltz, Burke, Duckett, and so many other genealogical sources, and as correctly questioned by Mr. Gibbs, the editor of Complete Peerage.
Libby Sulivan wrote on the Gen-Medieval mailing list on 20 Oct 2012: The following are suggestions as to the identity of the wife of William de Aldeburgh [d1388] and that of his father Ivo de Aldeburgh.
William de Aldeburgh: In 2008 Douglas Richardson supplied details of the seal of Elizabeth, wife of William de Aldeburgh which determined that she was not a De L'Isle.
An angel, half-length, wearing an embroidered robe, supporting before him two small shields of arms: dex., a lion rampant, Aldeburgh (see previous seal), sin., a lion rampant. Within a carved gothic panel. Legend wanting." [Reference: Birch Cat. of Seals in the British Museum 2 (1892): 412 ; 6801. [A.D. 1368]. Red: fine but fragmentary, [Add. ch. 26,770.]
The description of the dexter side of the seal corresponds closely with that of Mowbray of Colton: Gules, a lion rampant argent within a bordure engrailed. Intriguingly, in 26 Edw 3 William, son of Ivo of Aldeburgh grants to John, son of William Moubray, and Margaret his wife my manor of Aldeburgh in Richmondshire [Yorkshire Archaeological Journal vol 6 1881: p421]
The suggestion is that Elizabeth, wife of William de Aldeburgh is a daughter of John Mowbray and Margaret Percy.
Ivo de Aldeburgh: On the National Archives website there is the following entry:
I, Margery, who was the wife of Nich. Ward of Bubwyth hold for my life certain lands in Bubwyth of which the reversion belongs to Sir Wm. de Aldeburgh, chivaler & w. Eliz. which lands before this time I have attorned to the said Wm. & Eliz. by the concession of Ric. de Wateby, citizen of York. [1357-1358]DDTO K 23/191357/8; Lancashire Record Office.
The wife of William Mowbray of Colton , son of John Mowbray and Margaret Percy was Margaret Chaumont, whose mother Janette was the daughter of Richard de Wateby.
The suggestion is that Mary, wife of Ivo de Aldeburgh is Mary de Wateby , is a daughter of Richard de Wateby and Janette's sister.
Elizabeth Unknown - not de Lisle married Sir William de Aldeburgh, son of Sir Ives Aldeburgh and Mary Unknown (Aldeburgh), circa 1356 in England.
Elizabeth and Maud was party to a deed dated 1364 in Harewood, Yorkshire. Inquisition whether it would be to the detriment of the King or of others that Robert de l'Isle of Rougemont, kt should enfeoff William de Aldeburgh kt and Elizabeth his wife of 2 parts of the manor of Harewood, which he held in chief: and should concede that the third part of the said manor, which Maud late the wife of John de l'Isle of Rougemont, father of Robert, held in dowry, should remain after Maud's death to Wm & Elizabeth.
Robert de l'Isle paid £70 pre licencia feoffandi the two parts of the manor, 16 June 1634.
Cokayne notes that the remainder was to the heirs of William not Elizabeth.
Robert was paid 1000 pounds for Harewood by his brother-in-law William Aldburgh in 1365. [Fine 38 Edw III]. Elizabeth Unknown - not de Lisle was mentioned in a deed dated 1377 or 1378. In 1377/8, a further fine between William de Aldburgh (his wife being dead) & Robert confirming the manor... Harewood was one of 90 manors held by Robert [Originalia Roll 42 Edw III].
In 1377/8 Robert conveyed to his brother William, the manor of Campton.
Elizabeth died circa 1378. She was buried in the Dominican Friars, York, Yorkshire.
There is no mention of her in her assumed father's documents, see Parker. Douglas Richardson wrote on the Gen-Medieval mailing list 2 Feb 2008: The authoritative Complete Peerage, 1 (1910): 101-102 (sub Aldeburgh) has a brief account of the history of Sir William de Aldeburgh, Knt (died 1388), 1st Lord Aldeburgh. Regarding the parentage of his wife, Elizabeth, who died in or before 1378, the following information is supplied in footnote e on page 101:
"Most genealogists assume that Elizabeth was sister of Robert [de Lisle], though Ralph Brooke (Discoverie of certaine Errours in the Britannia, 1596, p. 66) denies this, and says she was the sister of John, Robert's father. But there is no known authority for either relationship. The arms of L'Isle, and those of Aldeburgh (as above), occur among those seen by Glover at Harewood. (Foster, ut supra, pp.
466-8). V.G." .
Thus, while Mr Gibbs, the editor of Complete Peerage, questions Elizabeth de Aldeburgh's parentage, he leaves the door open to the possibility that she might have been a Lisle. That she was neither the sister of Robert de Lisle, nor of his father, is proven, however, by Elizabeth de Aldeburgh's own seal which has been available in print since 1896. A description of this seal is found in Birch, Catalogue of Seals in the British Museum, volum 6801. [A.D. 1368]. Red: fine but fragmentary, [Add. ch. 26,770.]
An angel, half-length, wearing an embroidered robe, supporting before him two small shields of arms: dex., a lion rampant, Aldeburgh (see previous seal), sin., a lion rampant. Within a carved gothic panel. Legend wanting." [Reference: Birch Cat. of Seals in the British Museum 2 (1892): 412].
This item may be viewed at the following weblink:
http://books.google.com/books?id=JhMaAAAAIAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=editions:07Fwza-a_OaBmfrQ_9#PPA412,M1
As can be seen above, the arms of Elizabeth de Aldeburgh are displayed on her seal as being a lion rampant. The Lisle arms, on the other hand, are well known and they are completely different, they being: Or, a fess between two chevronels Sable [Reference: Beltz, Memorials of the Most Noble Order of the Garter (1841): 42-44].
The Lisle arms are also displayed at the following weblink:
http://books.google.com/books?id=Y-MNAAAAQAAJ&pg=RA6-PA25&dq=Aldeburgh+Lisle#PRA6-PA30,M1
Thus, on the basis of heraldic evidence, it is clear that Elizabeth, wife of William de Aldeburgh, 1st Lord Aldeburgh, was NOT a member of the Lisle family, as alleged by Brooke, Beltz, Burke, Duckett, and so many other genealogical sources, and as correctly questioned by Mr. Gibbs, the editor of Complete Peerage.
Libby Sulivan wrote on the Gen-Medieval mailing list on 20 Oct 2012: The following are suggestions as to the identity of the wife of William de Aldeburgh [d1388] and that of his father Ivo de Aldeburgh.
William de Aldeburgh: In 2008 Douglas Richardson supplied details of the seal of Elizabeth, wife of William de Aldeburgh which determined that she was not a De L'Isle.
An angel, half-length, wearing an embroidered robe, supporting before him two small shields of arms: dex., a lion rampant, Aldeburgh (see previous seal), sin., a lion rampant. Within a carved gothic panel. Legend wanting." [Reference: Birch Cat. of Seals in the British Museum 2 (1892): 412 ; 6801. [A.D. 1368]. Red: fine but fragmentary, [Add. ch. 26,770.]
The description of the dexter side of the seal corresponds closely with that of Mowbray of Colton: Gules, a lion rampant argent within a bordure engrailed. Intriguingly, in 26 Edw 3 William, son of Ivo of Aldeburgh grants to John, son of William Moubray, and Margaret his wife my manor of Aldeburgh in Richmondshire [Yorkshire Archaeological Journal vol 6 1881: p421]
The suggestion is that Elizabeth, wife of William de Aldeburgh is a daughter of John Mowbray and Margaret Percy.
Ivo de Aldeburgh: On the National Archives website there is the following entry:
I, Margery, who was the wife of Nich. Ward of Bubwyth hold for my life certain lands in Bubwyth of which the reversion belongs to Sir Wm. de Aldeburgh, chivaler & w. Eliz. which lands before this time I have attorned to the said Wm. & Eliz. by the concession of Ric. de Wateby, citizen of York. [1357-1358]DDTO K 23/191357/8; Lancashire Record Office.
The wife of William Mowbray of Colton , son of John Mowbray and Margaret Percy was Margaret Chaumont, whose mother Janette was the daughter of Richard de Wateby.
The suggestion is that Mary, wife of Ivo de Aldeburgh is Mary de Wateby , is a daughter of Richard de Wateby and Janette's sister.
Elizabeth Unknown - not de Lisle married Sir William de Aldeburgh, son of Sir Ives Aldeburgh and Mary Unknown (Aldeburgh), circa 1356 in England.
Elizabeth and Maud was party to a deed dated 1364 in Harewood, Yorkshire. Inquisition whether it would be to the detriment of the King or of others that Robert de l'Isle of Rougemont, kt should enfeoff William de Aldeburgh kt and Elizabeth his wife of 2 parts of the manor of Harewood, which he held in chief: and should concede that the third part of the said manor, which Maud late the wife of John de l'Isle of Rougemont, father of Robert, held in dowry, should remain after Maud's death to Wm & Elizabeth.
Robert de l'Isle paid £70 pre licencia feoffandi the two parts of the manor, 16 June 1634.
Cokayne notes that the remainder was to the heirs of William not Elizabeth.
Robert was paid 1000 pounds for Harewood by his brother-in-law William Aldburgh in 1365. [Fine 38 Edw III]. Elizabeth Unknown - not de Lisle was mentioned in a deed dated 1377 or 1378. In 1377/8, a further fine between William de Aldburgh (his wife being dead) & Robert confirming the manor... Harewood was one of 90 manors held by Robert [Originalia Roll 42 Edw III].
In 1377/8 Robert conveyed to his brother William, the manor of Campton.
Elizabeth died circa 1378. She was buried in the Dominican Friars, York, Yorkshire.
Children of Elizabeth Unknown - not de Lisle and Sir William de Aldeburgh
- William de Aldeburgh b. b May 1358, d. 20 Aug 1391
- Elizabeth de Aldeburgh+ b. b Oct 1364, d. 21 Dec 1417 or 1434
- Sibyl de Aldeburgh+ b. c 1367, d. 3 Sep 1439
Godehildus/Gotelina de Unknown
Godehildus/Gotelina de Unknown married Roger de Tosny the Spaniard, son of Radulph/Ralph/Raoul (2) de Tosny.
Child of Godehildus/Gotelina de Unknown and Roger de Tosny the Spaniard
- Radulph/Ralph/Raoul (3) de Tosny Lord of Flamstead+ b. c 1030, d. bt 24 Mar 1102 - 1103
(?) Unknown
Children of (?) Unknown and Edmund Bland
- Edmund Bland+ b. 24 Apr 1642, d. b 8 Jan 1684/85
- Elizabeth Bland b. 14 Jun 1643
(?) Unknown
( - before 14 October 1682)
(?) Unknown married William Nun.
(?) died before 14 October 1682 in Bradfield St George, Suffolk. She was buried on 14 October 1682 in Bradfield St George.
(?) died before 14 October 1682 in Bradfield St George, Suffolk. She was buried on 14 October 1682 in Bradfield St George.
Child of (?) Unknown and William Nun
- Frances Nunn+ d. 1701
(?) Unknown
(circa 1765? - before 1790)
(?) Unknown was born circa 1765?.
(?) Unknown married John Bullett, son of John Bullett and Mary Curtis, before 1789 in Suffolk.
(?) died before 1790 in Suffolk.
(?) Unknown married John Bullett, son of John Bullett and Mary Curtis, before 1789 in Suffolk.
(?) died before 1790 in Suffolk.
(?) Unknown
( - before 1836)
(?) Unknown married John Evans, son of William Evans and Sarah Unknown (Evans), before 1835.
(?) died before 1836.
(?) died before 1836.
(?) Unknown
(circa 1600 - before 3 November 1644)
(?) Unknown was born circa 1600.
(?) Unknown married Francis Popplewell (son of James), son of James Popplewell (of Beltoft, son of William) and Prudence Dobson, after 1626.
(?) died before 3 November 1644 in Belton, Lincolnshire. She was buried on 3 November 1644 in Belton.
(?) Unknown married Francis Popplewell (son of James), son of James Popplewell (of Beltoft, son of William) and Prudence Dobson, after 1626.
(?) died before 3 November 1644 in Belton, Lincolnshire. She was buried on 3 November 1644 in Belton.
Children of (?) Unknown and Francis Popplewell (son of James)
- Francis Popplewell b. 29 May 1630, d. b 26 Apr 1631
- Henry Popplewell+ b. 31 May 1632, d. b 1680
(?) Unknown
( - before 9 February 1597/98)
(?) Unknown married William Banks of Newfield, son of Unknown Banks (of Giggleswick). (?) Unknown was buried on 9 February 1597/98 in Giggleswick, Yorkshire.
(?) died before 9 February 1597/98 in of Newfield, Giggleswick, Yorkshire.
(?) died before 9 February 1597/98 in of Newfield, Giggleswick, Yorkshire.
(?) Unknown
( - after 1514)
Child of (?) Unknown and William Hattersley
- Elizabeth Hattersley+ b. c 1523, d. b 4 Feb 1602/3
(?) Unknown
Children of (?) Unknown and William Ryther
- Lawrence Ryder Ryther d. 1601
- Thomas Ryther
- Davye Ryther
- Jane Ryther (Watson)
- Robert Ryther+ b. c 1560, d. b 20 Sep 1599
(?) Unknown
(circa 1680 - )
(?) Unknown was born circa 1680.
(?) Unknown married David Popplewell (of Scawby) before 1698. A David Popplewell married Elizabeth Greate 1 January 1695 at St Dunstan, Stepney according to the IGI. A John Popplewell married Reecca Hlbert on 3 March 1700 at Scawby according to the IGI.
(?) Unknown married David Popplewell (of Scawby) before 1698. A David Popplewell married Elizabeth Greate 1 January 1695 at St Dunstan, Stepney according to the IGI. A John Popplewell married Reecca Hlbert on 3 March 1700 at Scawby according to the IGI.
Children of (?) Unknown and David Popplewell (of Scawby)
- Elizabeth Popplewell b. 28 Jul 1698
- Bridget Popplewell b. 10 Feb 1701/2
- David Popplewell (of Scawby)+ b. b 24 Mar 1716/17
(?) Unknown
(?) Unknown married Thomas Handy, son of Thomas Handy.
(?) Unknown lived at Stradbally, Laois, Ireland, January 1987.
(?) Unknown lived at Stradbally, Laois, Ireland, January 1987.
(?) Unknown
(?) Unknown married Martin Handy, son of Martin Handy and Mary Harmey, in 1882 in Tullamore, Kilbride, Offaly, Ireland.
(?) Unknown
(?) Unknown married Thomas Handy, son of Thomas Handy and Susan Craig, before 1 July 1886 in Athy, Kildare, Ireland.
(?) Unknown
(?) Unknown
( - 28 January 1812)
(?) Unknown married Richard Halahan, son of Patriarch Halahan.
(?) died on 28 January 1812 in Cork. The Cork Mercantile chronicle: of Friday 31 Jan 1812 reported at her lodgings in this city on Tuesday, 28th after two days illness, Mrs Hallahan relict of the late Richard Hallahan, Esq of Charleville.
(?) died on 28 January 1812 in Cork. The Cork Mercantile chronicle: of Friday 31 Jan 1812 reported at her lodgings in this city on Tuesday, 28th after two days illness, Mrs Hallahan relict of the late Richard Hallahan, Esq of Charleville.
(?) Unknown
( - before 1784)
(?) Unknown married John Popplewell, son of Gainsborough patriarch? Popplewell, before 1783. His first wife may have been the Elizabeth Popewell buried at Hemswell on 12 Dec 1782.
(?) died before 1784.
(?) died before 1784.
Child of (?) Unknown and John Popplewell
- John Popplewell+ b. b 1784?
(?) Unknown
(?) Unknown married Thomas York, son of Paul York and Faith Popplewell, before 1668. Thomas, his wife and their children were mentioned in his uncle George's will of 1668.
(?) Unknown
( - before 1556)
(?) Unknown married William Popplewell, son of Richard Popplewell, before 1525?. Her name may be Caister from their son Richard's 1564 will which mentions his uncle Robert Caister. However, Richard's aunt Cecilia was married to a Caister..
(?) died before 1556. She was not mentioned in her husband's will..
(?) died before 1556. She was not mentioned in her husband's will..
Children of (?) Unknown and William Popplewell
- William Popplewell+ b. c 1525, d. b 3 Feb 1591/92
- Thomas Popplewell+ b. b 1530, d. bt Feb 1562 - 1563
- Richard Popplewell b. b 1534, d. a 12 Jul 1564
- Ann Popplewell b. b 1535
- John Popplewell b. b 1535, d. b 1563
- Robert Popplewell (son of William) b. b 1539
(?) Unknown
(?) Unknown married James MacPherson Robertson, son of James Robertson and Mary Ann MacPherson, circa 1938?. She was a widow with several children inc. Marie & Max, they took his name. He was about 56 at the time..
(?) Unknown
The marriage of (?) Unknown and Edith Excelsior Bullett, daughter of Samuel Bullett and Jane Stone, was registered in the quarter ending in September 1907 in Hampstead RD, Middlesex.
(?) Unknown (Cocksedge)
( - before 21 July 1709)
(?) died before 21 July 1709 in Bradfield St George, Suffolk. She was buried on 21 July 1709 in Bradfield St George. Widow Cocksedge wife of Peter or George or ?
(?) Unknown (Frankland)
(say 1670 - )
(?) Unknown (Frankland) was born say 1670.
Child of (?) Unknown (Frankland) and Richard Frankland
Ada Unknown
(say 1854 - )
Ada Unknown was born say 1854.
Ada Unknown married Frederick Cocksedge, son of Henry Cocksedge and Phoebe Pask, before 1879.
Ada Unknown married Frederick Cocksedge, son of Henry Cocksedge and Phoebe Pask, before 1879.
Children of Ada Unknown and Frederick Cocksedge
- James Cocksedge
- Ellen Cocksedge b. Jan 1881
Ada Unknown (Squirrell)
Ada Unknown (Squirrell) married Frederick John Cooper Squirrell, son of John Squirrell, in Suffolk, England.
Children of Ada Unknown (Squirrell) and Frederick John Cooper Squirrell
- Frederick Squirrell b. 25 Nov 1898, d. b 27 Nov 1898
- John Squirrell b. 25 Nov 1898, d. b 27 Nov 1898
Adele I Unknown
(circa 1869 - December 1950)
- Charts
- Hooper descendants
Adele I Unknown was born circa 1869 in Canada.
Adele I Unknown married Capt Herbert Ross Hooper, son of Rev Robert Poole Hooper and Harriet Brereton, before February 1895.
Adele I Unknown and Capt Herbert Ross Hooper were found on a passenger list dated 1 February 1895 to Liverpool. Herbert Ross Hooper, 31, C. engineer with his wife Alice 26 arrived on the Catalonia as a cabin passenger from New York.
Adele I Unknown and Capt Herbert Ross Hooper appeared on the 1901 census in 31-52 Buckingham Gate, Westminster, St Margaret. Herbert R Hooper, head, 36, civil engineer, born Brighton, Ssx with his wife Adele I, aged 29, born Canada; and son Brereton R Hooper, aged 3, born Canada. They were living in a flat.
Adele's death was registered in the quarter ending in December 1950 in Chippenham RD, Wiltshire.
Adele I Unknown married Capt Herbert Ross Hooper, son of Rev Robert Poole Hooper and Harriet Brereton, before February 1895.
Adele I Unknown and Capt Herbert Ross Hooper were found on a passenger list dated 1 February 1895 to Liverpool. Herbert Ross Hooper, 31, C. engineer with his wife Alice 26 arrived on the Catalonia as a cabin passenger from New York.
Adele I Unknown and Capt Herbert Ross Hooper appeared on the 1901 census in 31-52 Buckingham Gate, Westminster, St Margaret. Herbert R Hooper, head, 36, civil engineer, born Brighton, Ssx with his wife Adele I, aged 29, born Canada; and son Brereton R Hooper, aged 3, born Canada. They were living in a flat.
Adele's death was registered in the quarter ending in December 1950 in Chippenham RD, Wiltshire.
Child of Adele I Unknown and Capt Herbert Ross Hooper
- Commander Brereton Ross Hooper b. 11 Oct 1897, d. 10 Jan 1943
Aelina or Aline Unknown (Dunbar)
( - 20 August 1179)
Aelina or Aline Unknown (Dunbar) married Waldeve or Waltheof Dunbar, son of Gospatrick Dunbar 2nd Earl and Derdere Unknown (Dunbar). Aelina or Aline Unknown (Dunbar) was also known as Aelina or Aline Unknown in records.
Aelina died on 20 August 1179.
Aelina died on 20 August 1179.
Children of Aelina or Aline Unknown (Dunbar) and Waldeve or Waltheof Dunbar
- Helen Dunbar
- Constantine Dunbar
- Alicia Dunbar (Seton)
- Patrick Dunbar 4th Earl of Dunbar+ b. 1152, d. 31 Dec 1232
Agnes Unknown
( - before 22 February 1632/33)
Agnes Unknown was born in West Stow, Suffolk. Agnes Unknown was also known as Agnes Gore in records.
Agnes Unknown married James Bland, son of Thomas Bland and Rose Unknown, on 28 November 1592 in West Stow, Suffolk.
Agnes died before 22 February 1632/33 in West Stow, Suffolk. She was buried on 22 February 1632/33 in West Stow.
Agnes Unknown married James Bland, son of Thomas Bland and Rose Unknown, on 28 November 1592 in West Stow, Suffolk.
Agnes died before 22 February 1632/33 in West Stow, Suffolk. She was buried on 22 February 1632/33 in West Stow.
Children of Agnes Unknown and James Bland
- James Bland b. 27 Jan 1593/94
- Robert Bland b. 15 Feb 1595/96
- Susan Bland b. 13 Aug 1598
Agnes Unknown
( - after 1584)
Agnes died after 1584.
Agnes Unknown married Rev Richard Bland on 7 September 1599? In St Edward, Cambridge, Cambridgeshire. Obviously not this man.
Agnes Unknown married Rev Richard Bland on 7 September 1599? In St Edward, Cambridge, Cambridgeshire. Obviously not this man.
Agnes Unknown
Child of Agnes Unknown and John Popplewell
- Elizabeth Popplewell b. b 21 Mar 1633/34