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     Peter de la Hay was born say 1650.
     Peter de la Hay lived at Soho, Westminster.

     Henry de la Mare was born. He was the son of Sir Wiliam de la Mare and Basile. Sir William died before Oct 1239.
     Chris Phillips wrote to the Gen-Medieval Mailing list: Under "Mare or de la Mare" (CP v. 8, p. 463) appears John de la Mare, son of Matthew de la Mare by Florence, eldest daughter and coheir of Roger de Akeni or Akeny of Bradwell. Some further information about Matthew is given in a chart pedigree. (This John married Pernel de Dunstanville, the widow of Robert de Montfort (d. 1274), described as a younger son of Piers de Montfort [thus presumably a younger brother of the Piers who married Maud/Matilda de la Mare].)
Although these two Matthew de la Mares are contemporaries, it does appear that they are different men, so that Maud/Matilda was not the sister of John de la Mare of Bradwell.
     At Lincoln; in eight days of Trinty, 34 Henry III, [29 May, 1250]. Between Henry de la Mare, plaintiff, and Bartholomew de Castorp, tenant, of the firth part of 2 bovates of land and [the fifth part of] 4-1/2 acres of wood in Herlaueston.
Plea. Bartholomew has ackknowledged the land and wood to be the right of Henry, and has rendered the wood to him in the same court; to hold of him and his heirs of the chief lords of that fee for ever; doing therefor all services which to the wood belong. And for this Henry has granted the land to which Bartholomew together with 1 messuage which Henry heretofore held in the same vill, and 4 acres of land in the same vill, whereof 2 acres lie in the field which is called Northfeld, and 2 lie in 'the field which is called Suthfeud, and with the fifth part of Henry's pasture which is between the wood which was heretofore of William de Mortimer and Henry's wood in the same vill; to hold to Bartholomew and his heirs of Henry and his heirs for ever; rendering therefor yearly 8d. at the feast of St Michael for all service and demand. Henry and his heirs shall warrant to Bartholomew and his heirs the said tenement, which remains to them by this concord, by the said service against all men for ever. And for this Bartholomew has granted to Henry the whole part which came to Bartholomew of this messuage which formerly was of William de Herlaveston, Bartholomew's uncle, whose heir he is, in the same vill; to hold to Henry and his heirs of Bartholomew and his heirs for ever; rendering therefor yearly one clove gillyflower at the feast of St Michael for all service, homage, fealty, relief, wardship, suit of courts, aids, custom and demand. And Bartholomew and his heirs shall warrant to Henry and his
heirs the said part of the messuage, which remains quit to him by this fine, by the said service agaianst all men for ever.
     Henry died in 1257.

     Maud de la Mare was born circa 1242. She is sometimes described as the daughter & heir of Matthew, son of Henry de la Mare.
Terry Mair wrote: In my charts I have Mathilda De La Mare born abt. 1242 who married Peter de Montfort, some of the information I have found says she is a sister to John Lord of Bradwell, and that she was the daughter of Matthew, is this correct, in the Victorian county records she is only refered to as being the granddaughter of Henry De La Mare, so I guess my question is, is John her brother or are these two completely different families?
Chris Phillips responded: Complete Peerage vol. 9, p. 127 has Peter/Piers married, circa 1260, to Maud, daughter and heir of Matthew, son of Henry de la Mare, "with whom he had Ashtead in Surrey" (citing Victoria County History of Surrey, vol. 3, p. 248). It comments that their son John appears to have been of age in 1284/5.
Then under "Mare or de la Mare" (vol. 8, p. 463) appears John de la Mare, son of Matthew de la Mare by Florence, eldest daughter and coheir of Roger de Akeni or Akeny of Bradwell. Some further information about Matthew is given in a chart pedigree. (To complicate matters, this John married Pernel de Dunstanville, the widow of Robert de Montfort (d. 1274), described as a younger son of Piers de Montfort [thus presumably a younger brother of the Piers who married Maud/Matilda de la Mare].) Although these two Matthew de la Mares are contemporaries, it does appear that they are different men, so that Maud/Matilda was not the sister of John de la Mare of Bradwell. This was discussed by Richard Borthwick in 1999.

Douglas Richardson on the GEN-Medieval mailing list also stated:
It is commonly stated that Maud de la Mare was the daughter and heiress of Sir Matthew de la Mare (died 1270), of Bradwell, Essex, by his wife, Florence de Akeny. This error is found in many sources, one of them being Leo's great website. That Sir Matthew de la Mare was actually survived by a son and heir, John, is indicated by a well documented chart found in Complete Peerage, 8 (1932): foll. pg. 464.
The confusion over Maud's parentage appears to have been caused by the fact that Sir Matthew de la Mare was one of the executors of Maud's father's estate. In that capacity, Sir Matthew de la Mare founded a perpetual chantry at Ashtead, Surrey in 1261 in honor of Sir Henry de la Mare (Maud's real father), his ancestors and descendants.
That Maud de la Mare was actually the daughter of Sir Henry de la Mare died 1257), is proven by a document dated 1265 found in Calendar of Close Rolls, 1264-1265 (1937), pg. 55, which reads as follows:
"Pro Matilli filia Henrici de la Mare. - Rex Willelmo de Wenling', escaetori suo citra Trentam, salutem. Monstravit nobis Matildis filia Henrici de la Mare quod, cum dudum contulissemus eidem Henrico custodiam terrarum Willelmi Ortye defuncti qui de nobis tenuit in capite habendam sibi et assignatis suis cum feodis militum, wardis et aliis ad dictam custodiam pertinentibus, et idem Henricus dudum ante mortem suam custiodiam illam assignasset eidem Matildi habendam usque
ad legitimam etatem heredem ejusdem Willelmi ..."

The above document states that before his death, Henry de la Mare
assigned custody of the lands of William de l'Orty deceased to his daughter, Maud, until the heir of the said William came of age. I have elsewhere shown that the Henry de la Mare who had possession of the de l'Orty lands was Sir Henry de la Mare, the royal justice, who died in 1257. She was the daughter of Henry de la Mare.
     Maud de la Mare married Piers de Montfort, son of Sir Piers de Montfort Lord of Beaudesert and Alice de Audley, circa 1260.

     Charles de la Motte married Frances Amelia Dobson, daughter of John Savage Dobson and Elizabeth Dick Dunbar, in 1877. They had no issue.

     Caroline de la Rue was born in 1875 in Wagga Wagga, New South Wales.
     Caroline de la Rue married George Robert Hinchley, son of James Hinchley and Isabella Ramsey, in 1893 in Narrandera, New South Wales.
     Caroline died on 14 September 1952 in Balmain District, New South Wales. She was the daughter of Charles A De La Rue (c.1822-1892) & Emma Hinds (1833-1919).

     Her birth was registered in the quarter ending in September 1867 in Coventry, Warwickshire. Ada De Lessert was the daughter of Robert Killigrew De Lessert and Elizabeth Farmer. Susan, Cecelia, Annie and Ada were listed as the children of Robert Killigrew De Lessert in the 1871 census in 8 Stoney Stanton Rd, Coventry, Holy Trinity, Warwickshire. Susan Helena De Lessert (Ellis) and Ada De Lessert was listed as Robert Killigrew De Lessert's daughter in the 1881 census.
     Ada De Lessert and Annie De Lessert appeared on the 1891 census in 2 Bridge Terrace, Coventry, Warwickshire. Annie De Lessert, head, single, 27, pawnbroker's assistant, and her sister Ada De Lessert, single 23, stationer's assistant, both born at Coventry. Ada De Lessert was listed as John Ellis's sister-in-law in the 1901 census in 37 ... Gosford St, Coventry, Warwickshire.
     The marriage of Ada De Lessert and Charles Joseph or William Richard Bradley or Simpson was registered in the quarter ending in March 1904 in Coventry RD, Warwickshire.

     Alfred Alexander De Lessert was born say 1810. He was the grandson of de Lessert of the Court of Louis XVI. He was the son of Marc Antoine? De Lessert. Alfred was a dentist.
     Alfred Alexander De Lessert married Martha Georgiana Dunbar, daughter of Major John Killigrew Dunbar and Jane Mary Vivian, on 7 April 1832 in St Peter, Dublin, Ireland. She was of York St at the time and the witness was G A F Halahan, her half brother's brother in law.
     Alfred died before 13 September 1859 in Coventry RD, Warwickshire. He was buried on 13 September 1859 in London Rd Civic Cemetery, Coventry.

     His birth was registered in the quarter ending in March 1847 in Wolverhampton, Staffordshire. Alfred Alexander De Lessert was the son of Alfred Alexander De Lessert and Martha Georgiana Dunbar.
     The marriage of Alfred Alexander De Lessert and Frances Hannah C Mayer was registered in the quarter ending in June 1872 in Gloucester RD, Gloucestershire.
     Alfred died on 4 July 1907 in Gloucester, Gloucestershire, aged 60. Alfred Alexander dDe Lessert, L.D.S., Aberdeen. Former medical students of Aberdeen UJniversity, and particularly those who spent some time in the University company of the Royal Army Medical Corps (Volunteers) during the years 1889 to 1903, will hear with much regret of the death at Gloucester, on July 4th, of Mr Alfred Alexander De Lessert, L.D.S., R.C.S.Ire. Mr De Lessert, who had been. in ill health for some time, was born at Wolverhampton over sixty years ago, and received his eclucation at King William's College, Isle of Man. He belonged to a family of dentists, his father and other immediate relatives having occupied leading positions as dental surgeons. He settled in Aberdeen in 1869, and began a practice which developed very largely, and for a long period he was one of the leading dental surgeons in Aberdeen and the north of Scotland. While resident in Aberdeen, Mr. De Lessert was dental surgeon to the Aberdeen Dispensary, to the Boys' and Girls' Hospital, and to the Royal Hospital for Sick Children. He was twice married, first to Miss Mayer, daughter of Mr Samuel Mayer, solicitor, Gloucester, and secondly to Miss Rubberds (sister of the Bishop of Brechin and niece of the late Lord Sempill), by whom he is survived. Mr.De Lessert was a prominent member of the Medical Staff Corps. He was gazetted Quartermaster in 1889, when the Aberdeen company originated, and, passing the proficiency examination in the following year, he took rank as Quartermaster and Lieutenant in the corps. The duties of this office he performed in a most excellent manner, and he proved a most popular and efficient officer, whose resignation a few years ago was received with much regret. Old corps members will recall vividly his exceedingly courteous and dignified presence, his kindly manner, his skill as a raconteur. and his mastery of all the detail of a quartermaster's duty, particularly where it concerned the comfort of the volunteers when in camp. About two years ago he left Aberdeen and took up residence in Gloucester.

     Her birth was registered in the quarter ending in June 1864 in Coventry RD, Warwickshire. Annie De Lessert was the daughter of Robert Killigrew De Lessert and Elizabeth Farmer. Susan, Cecelia, Annie and Ada were listed as the children of Robert Killigrew De Lessert in the 1871 census in 8 Stoney Stanton Rd, Coventry, Holy Trinity, Warwickshire. Annie De Lessert was listed as Herbert Wood's niece in the 1881 census in 54 Dudley St, Wolverhampton, Staffordshire.
     Annie De Lessert and Ada De Lessert appeared on the 1891 census in 2 Bridge Terrace, Coventry, Warwickshire. Annie De Lessert, head, single, 27, pawnbroker's assistant, and her sister Ada De Lessert, single 23, stationer's assistant, both born at Coventry.
     Annie De Lessert married Benjamin or James Harrison or Manning before 1 October 1896 in Coventry RD Warwickshire.

      Cecelia De Lessert was also known as Celeena in some records. She was born before April 1857 in Birmingham, Warwickshire. She was the daughter of Robert Killigrew De Lessert and Elizabeth Farmer. Cecelia and Susan were listed as the children of Robert Killigrew De Lessert in the 1861 census in 8 Byron St, Coventry, Warwickshire. Susan, Cecelia, Annie and Ada were listed as the children of Robert Killigrew De Lessert in the 1871 census in 8 Stoney Stanton Rd, Coventry, Holy Trinity, Warwickshire. Cecelia De Lessert was buried on 2 February 1882 in London Rd Civic Cemetery, Coventry.
     Cecelia died on 2 February 1882 in Coventry RD, Warwickshire.

     Charles Grierson De Lessert was born before April 1818 in Dublin, Ireland. An Alfred married Susan Grierson in 1802 with a Dublin marriage licence - they seem likely to be parents. n Alfred De Lessert of Finglass, Dublin, goldsmith's will was proved 1830. He was the son of Marc Antoine? De Lessert.
     Charles Grierson De Lessert and Eliza Ann Boreham's marriage was registered in the quarter ending December 1845 in Stone RD, Staffordshire.
     Charles Grierson De Lessert and Eliza Ann Boreham appeared on the 1861 census in Waterloo Rd, Wolverhampton, Staffordshire. Charles G De Lessert, head, 43, dentist, born Ireland, his wife Eliza A, 46, born Stone, Staffordshire, daughter Harriet aged 5, born Wolverhampton with a cook and a house servant.
     Charles Grierson De Lessert appeared on the 1871 census in 10 Waterloo Rd, Wolverhampton, Staffordshire. Charles Grierson De Lessert, widower, aged 53?, dentist, licentiate Royal College of Surgeons of England?, member of the Odontological Society of Gt Britain. born Dublin, Ireland, his daughter [sic] Eliza Anne, 22, born Wolverhampton, Sts and nieces Helena Emily de Lessett, aged 38 and Frances Helena, 19, both born Dublin with a cook and general servant.
     Charles Grierson De Lessert appeared on the 1881 census in 4 Waterloo Rd, Wolverhampton, Staffordshire. Charles G De Lessert, widower, aged 63, Dental Surgeon, born Dublin, Ireland, with his daugher Harriett, unmarried, 25, born Wolverhampton, Helena E, niece, 48, born Dublin, Anne E Kitchem, niece, 45, born Stone,Staffordshire, and a cook and housemaid.
     Charles's death was registered in the quarter ending in June 1886 in Wolverhampton, Staffordshire.

     Her birth was registered in the quarter ending in March 1849 in Wolverhampton, Staffordshire. Eliza Anne De Lessert was the daughter of Charles Grierson De Lessert and Eliza Ann Boreham. Eliza Anne De Lessert was listed as Charles Grierson De Lessert's daughter in the 1871 census in 10 Waterloo Rd, Wolverhampton, Staffordshire.
     Eliza Anne De Lessert married Samuel James or William Millichamp or Thompson before 1 October 1880 in Wolverhampton RD, Staffordshire. I cannot identify either couple in the 1881 census.

     Five other children De Lessert was born say 1841 in Ireland. He was the son of Alfred Alexander De Lessert and Martha Georgiana Dunbar. Five died young.

     Frances Helena De Lessert was born before April 1852 in Dublin, Ireland. She was the daughter of Alfred Alexander De Lessert and Martha Georgiana Dunbar. Helena Emily Dunbar De Lessert and Frances Helena De Lessert was listed as Charles Grierson De Lessert's niece in the 1871 census in 10 Waterloo Rd, Wolverhampton, Staffordshire. Charles Grierson De Lessert, widower, aged 53?, dentist, licentiate Royal College of Surgeons of England?, member of the Odontological Society of Gt Britain. born Dublin, Ireland, his daughter [sic] Eliza Anne, 22, born Wolverhampton, Sts and nieces Helena Emily de Lessett, aged 38 and Frances Helena, 19, both born Dublin with a cook and general servant.
     Frances Helena De Lessert married Herbert Wood before 1 July 1876 in Wolverhampton RD, Staffordshire.
     Frances Helena De Lessert and Herbert Wood appeared on the 1881 census in 54 Dudley St, Wolverhampton, Staffordshire. Herbert Wood, head, 34, tobacconist, born Wolverhampton, his wife Frances Helena aged 29, born Dublin, Helena de Lesset, daughter, born Wolverthampton. aged 3 weeks/months? Frances Mary 4, daughter, born Wolverhampton, Annie De Lessert, niece, unmarried 16 scholar, born Coventry, Warwickshire and a domestic servant.
     Frances Helena De Lessert and Herbert Wood appeared on the 1891 census in 2 Rupert St, Wolverhampton, Staffordshire. Herbert Wood, 44, cigar merchant, born Wolverhampton, his wife Frances H 39, born Dublin, Ireland and their children Mary F 14, Edith G 11, Ellen D 10, Dorothy M, 8, Elizabeth N 7, Leila M, 4, John A 1, with sisters Caroline 42 & Elizabeth 35 living on own means, with a cook and kitchen maid, all born at Wolverhampton.
     Frances Helena De Lessert and Herbert Wood appeared on the 1901 census in Wolverhampton, Staffordshire. Herbert Wood, 54, cigar merchant, born Wolverhampton, his wife Frances H 49, born Dublin, Ireland and their children Frances M 24,teacher of music & .... Edith J B? 21, assistant in cigar shop, Helen D 20, Norah G/B? 17, Leila M, 14, John A 11, Charles D 8, , all born at Wolverhampton.

     Her birth was registered in the quarter ending in December 1855 in Wolverhampton, Staffordshire. Harriet De Lessert was the daughter of Charles Grierson De Lessert and Eliza Ann Boreham. Harriet was listed as the daughter of Charles Grierson De Lessert in the 1861 census in Waterloo Rd, Wolverhampton, Staffordshire. Charles G De Lessert, head, 43, dentist, born Ireland, his wife Eliza A, 46, born Stone, Staffordshire, daughter Harriet aged 5, born Wolverhampton with a cook and a house servant. Harriet De Lessert was listed as Charles Grierson De Lessert's daughter in the 1881 census.

     Helena Emily Dunbar De Lessert was born before April 1833 in Dublin, Ireland. She was the daughter of Alfred Alexander De Lessert and Martha Georgiana Dunbar. Helena Emily Dunbar De Lessert and Frances Helena De Lessert was listed as Charles Grierson De Lessert's niece in the 1871 census in 10 Waterloo Rd, Wolverhampton, Staffordshire. Charles Grierson De Lessert, widower, aged 53?, dentist, licentiate Royal College of Surgeons of England?, member of the Odontological Society of Gt Britain. born Dublin, Ireland, his daughter [sic] Eliza Anne, 22, born Wolverhampton, Sts and nieces Helena Emily de Lessett, aged 38 and Frances Helena, 19, both born Dublin with a cook and general servant. Helena Emily Dunbar De Lessert was listed as Charles Grierson De Lessert's niece in the 1881 census in 4 Waterloo Rd, Wolverhampton, Staffordshire.
     Helena died before 13 February 1892 in Bridgwater RD, Somerset, England. She was buried on 13 February 1892 in All Saints, Ashcott, Somerset.

     Maria died in Ireland. She was born in Ireland. She was the daughter of Alfred Alexander De Lessert and Martha Georgiana Dunbar.

     Robert Killigrew De Lessert was born circa 1835 in Dubllin, Ireland. He was the son of Alfred Alexander De Lessert and Martha Georgiana Dunbar.
     Robert Killigrew De Lessert was recorded on the 1851 census in Church Lane, Wolverhampton, Staffordshire. Robert De Lessert, unmarried aged 16, dentist, born Dublin, Ireland was lodging with the Steventon family, brush makers. Robert was a dentist,Wolverhampton.
     Robert Killigrew De Lessert and Elizabeth Farmer's marriage was registered in the quarter ending September 1858 in Wolverhampton RD.
     Robert Killigrew De Lessert and Elizabeth Farmer appeared on the 1861 census in 8 Byron St, Coventry, Warwickshire. Robert De Lessert, 27, journeyman dentist, born Dublin, Ireland, with his wife Elizabeth, 31, born Little Heaywood, and daughters Cecilia, 4, born Kidderminster and Helena 2, born Birmingham.
     Robert Killigrew De Lessert and Elizabeth Farmer appeared on the 1871 census in 8 Stoney Stanton Rd, Coventry, Holy Trinity, Warwickshire. Robert de Lessert, head, 38, Dentist assist, born Dublin, Ireland; his wife Elizabeth, 43, born Kidderminster?, children Celeena 14, scholar, born Birmingham; Susan 12, born Coventry, Annie 6, ditto, Ada 3, ditto.
     Robert Killigrew De Lessert and Elizabeth Farmer appeared on the 1881 census in Coventry, Warwickshire. Robert K. De Lesset 46, dentist, born Dublin; Elizabeth G. De Lesset 55 wife, born .... Staffordshire, children Susan H. De Lesset 21,relief ... born ..., Ada De Lesset 13, scholar, born Coventry; Mary A. Smith 32, Hannah Smith 30 - spearate house but described as sisters. Their daughter Annie 16, born Coventry, was in the household of her uncle and aunt Frances Helena Wood. Cecilia aged 24, dressmaker, born Staffordshire, was a visitor in the household of Charles Farmer.
     Robert died before 30 April 1890 in Warwick RD, Warwickshire, England. He was buried on 30 April 1890 in London Rd Civic Cemetery, Coventry.

      Susan Helena De Lessert (Ellis) was also known as Helena in some records. Her birth was registered in the quarter ending in June 1859 in Birmingham, Warwickshire. She was the daughter of Robert Killigrew De Lessert and Elizabeth Farmer. Cecelia and Susan were listed as the children of Robert Killigrew De Lessert in the 1861 census in 8 Byron St, Coventry, Warwickshire. Susan, Cecelia, Annie and Ada were listed as the children of Robert Killigrew De Lessert in the 1871 census in 8 Stoney Stanton Rd, Coventry, Holy Trinity, Warwickshire. Susan Helena De Lessert (Ellis) and Ada De Lessert was listed as Robert Killigrew De Lessert's daughter in the 1881 census.
     The marriage of Susan Helena De Lessert (Ellis) and John Ellis was registered in the quarter ending in September 1882 in Coventry RD, Warwickshire.
     Susan Helena De Lessert (Ellis) and John Ellis appeared on the 1901 census in 37 ... Gosford St, Coventry, Warwickshire. John Ellis, head, 48, pawnbroker, his wife Susan H, 41, children Lily 16, typist, Betty 15, draper's assistant, Bertie F, 12, Ada de Lessert, sister-in-law, single, draper's assistant, all born at Coventry, with a general domestic servant.
     Susan's death was registered in the quarter ending in June 1909 in Coventry RD Warwickshire.

     Agnes de Lisle was born say 1200 in England.
     Agnes de Lisle married Warin FitzGerald, son of Henry FitzGerald and Ermentrude de Ferrers (de Grendon), before 1234.

     Agnes de Lisle married Robert de Lisle 3rd Baron, son of John de Lisle 2nd Baron and Maud or Matilda Grey, before 10 August 1359.

     Alice de Lisle was born say 1315. She was the daughter of Robert de Lisle and Margaret de Beauchamp.
     Alice de Lisle married Robert Peverel in 1330. This marriage is very unlikely to be for the same Alice.
     Alice de Lisle married Thomas de Seymour before 1340.
     Alice de Seynt Maure, received a manor from her brother John de Lisle. They was mentioned at the Inquisition Post Mortem held on 23 March 1341/42 on the death of Robert de Lisle. Robert del Isle. Writ to the escheator of co. Cambs, etc. to inquire what lands etc. the said Robert held on the day when he was professed in an order of religion etc 23 March 16 Edw III.
Cambs: Inq. taken at Cottenham, 23 April - He held no lands. etc in the county on the day he was professed.
John his son aged 24 & more, is his next heir.
Similar writ to the escheator whi is also to inquire whether the said Robert alienated any lands etc to anyone 3 May 16 Edw III.
Cambs: Inq. taken at Holytone 15 May. Manors of Ramptone, Cotenham & Westwyk & advowdson of church of Wynepol, but alienated them to Alice, daughter of Robert de Insula, Elizabeth Peverell, Richard de Baiocis, Wm de Ruston, Edmunde de Benhale & Henry Ewenny, to hold to them, during their lives, of the said Robert & his heirs, doing the serviced thereto pertaining to the chief lords of that fee, with remainder to John, his son, as appears in a fine levied inthe king's court. The said manor of Rampton is held of John Burdeleys, as of the manor of Maddyngle, by knight's service. The manor of Cotenham is held of the bishop of Ely, by knight's service. The manor of Westwyck and the advowson fo the church of Wynepol, with a certain manor in the town of Great Wilburgham, which the said Robert, before he assumed the habit of religion, alienated to the said John, his son and heir, are held of the earl of Brittany, by service of a sore sparrow-hawk, or half a mark yearly. The said Robert, who held the manor of Coveneye, alienated it long before he assumed the habit of religion, to the aforesaid Alice, etc. to hold to them, for their lives, of the said Robert and his hiers, with remainder to John his son, as appears by fine levied in the king's court. The said manor of Coveneye is held of the prior and convent of Ely, as in socage and by service of 5s yearly. He held no lands etc. in the county on the day he assumed the habit of religion.
     Similar writ to the escheator in co. Oxford, etc. 3 May.
Oxford: Inq. taken at Oxford, 18 May. Hayford Warin. The said Robert, long before he assumed the habit of religion, alienated the manor oto the said Alice etc for their lives, by fine levied in the king's court, at Westminster, 3 weeks from the day of St Michael, 13 Edw III; and it is held of the earl of Cornwall by service of a fifth part of a knight's fee. He held no lands etc. in the bailiwick on the day he was professed. John his son, aged 24 years is his next heir.
Similar writ to the escheator in co. Essex etc. 3 May.
Essex. Inq. taken at Herllawe 17 May. He held no lands etc. in fee in the county on the day he assumed the habit of religion or before.
Hertford. Inq. taken at Ware, 15 May 16 Edw III:
Pysshobury. He held the manor, but long before he assumed the habit of religion he alienated the same to Alice & Elizabeth, daughters of Robert de Isle, Richard de Bayeuse, William de Russhton, Edmund de Benhale and Henry Ewenay, to hold to them for their lives, of the chief lords of that fee, by the accustomed services, with remainder to John his son, to hold for life as above, with further successive remainders to Robert, son of the said John, and the heirs of his body, to hold as above, and to John brother of the said Robert, son of John, and the heirs of his body, to hold as above. The manor is held of Geoffrey de Say, Knight, by service of three knights' fees and three-quarters.
He held no lands etc. in the country of the day he assumd the habit of religion.
John his son, aged 23 years and more, is his next heir. Alice de Lisle was the subject of an Inquisition Post Mortem held in Northampton, Northamptonshire, on 5 May 1349. This is unlikely to be the same person as Alice, late the wife of Robert Peverel. Writ 5 May 23 Edward III.
Northampton. Inq. taken at Northampton, 26 June, 23 Edw III.
Assheby David. The manor (extent given) including 120 acres arable worth 40 sh and no more for want of servants because of the common pestilence and whereas there used to be 24 bondsmen now only 6 survive, held for her life of the heir of Larence de Hastyngges, late earl of Pembroke, a minor in the king's wardship, by knight's service.
All the lands ec. in Chaddiston by Assheby were pertaining to the said manor on the day the said Alice died, and came into the hands of John del Isle immediately after her death, by what right the jurors know not.
She died on Wednesday after the Close of Easter last. John Peverel, aged 19 years at Whitsuntide last, is her heir.
     Chris Phillips on Gen-Medieval mailing list wrote: It really is impossible for the Alice, widow of Robert Peverel, who died in 1349 to be the same as the Alice de Lisle who was the wife of Thomas de Seymour circa 1340 (CP cites Cal. Close Rolls 1339-41, p. 274).
It's clearly impossible for the Thomas Seymour who died in 1358 to be the first of two husbands of a woman who died in 1349.
Nor can it be a different Thomas de Seymour, as Alice the widow of Robert Peverel was already the wife of Thomas de Verdon by 1329, and he was still alive, holding half a fee in Castle Ashby and Grendon in 1346.

     Alice de Lisle was born circa 1310?. She was the daughter of Warin de Lisle and Alice Tyes.
     Alice de Lisle married Sir John Grey before 20 October 1330.
     Alice died after 1344.

     Alice de Lisle was the daughter of John de Lisle 2nd Baron and Maud or Matilda Grey.
     From: "Douglas Richardson"
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Subject: Re: John Lisle - Maud de Grey

> I believe that John de Lisle, 2nd Lord Lisle of Rougemont, was the father of the newly discovered Alice de Lisle, wife of Robert de Holand, the younger. However, beyond Alice's father being named John de Lisle, I haven't found any evidence yet which specifically links the Holand family or their heirs, the Lovel family, to the Lords Lisle of Rougemont.
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> mthiesse@swbell.net ("malinda") wrote in message
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> > My records show John de Insula, 2nd Lord Lisle de Rougemont,
My reference is a chart titled Barony of Aldeburgh. Their son Robert, Lord Lisle de Rougemont (Lord of Harwood), 3rd Baron, (summoned to Parliament as Lord Lisle of Rougemont, 20 Nov. 1360) ob. s.p. 1399. His sister Elizabeth de Insula was his heir, who m. 1365 William de Aldeburgh (Lord of Harwood Castle, co. Durham, j.ux.), summoned to Parliament as Baron Aldeburgh, 8 Jan. 137; Gent. of Privy Chamber to David II, KIng of Scots; bur. at Aldburgh, in Richmondshire, 1388.

     Baldwin died in England. He held lands in Chatteris by gift of his brother Warine in 1306.. He was born before 1296 in England. He was the son of Warin de Lisle and Alice de Montfort.

     Cassandra De Lisle was born circa 1190. She was the daughter of Robert de Lisle.
     Cassandra De Lisle married Richard de Argentein in 1203/4. She brought Newmarket & Exning as a marriage portion.

     Elizabeth de Lisle was born before 1340 in England. There is no mention of her in her assumed father's documents, see Parker. V Gibb in Cokayne's Complete Peerage, states that most genealogists assume that Elizabeth was the sister of Robert, through Ralph Brooke (Discoverie of certaine Errours in Britannia, 1596, p. 66) denies this, and says she was sister of John, Robert's father. But there is no known authority for either relationship. The arms of L'Isle, and those of Aldeburgh, occur among those seen by Glover at Harewood. (Foster, up supra, pp 466-8). V Gibb.. She was the daughter of John de Lisle 2nd Baron and Maud or Matilda Grey.
     Elizabeth de Lisle married Sir William de Aldeburgh, son of Sir Ives Aldeburgh and Mary Unknown (Aldeburgh), circa 1356 in England.
Elizabeth and Maud was party to a deed dated 1364 in Harewood, Yorkshire. Inquisition whether it would be to the detriment of the King or of others that Robert de l'Isle of Rougemont, kt should enfeoff William de Aldeburgh kt and Elizabeth his wife of 2 parts of the manor of Harewood, which he held in chief: and should concede that the third part of the said manor, which Maud late the wife of John de l'Isle of Rougemont, father of Robert, held in dowry, should remain after Maud's death to Wm & Elizabeth.
Robert de l'Isle paid £70 pre licencia feoffandi the two parts of the manor, 16 June 1634.
     Cokayne notes that the remainder was to the heirs of William not Elizabeth.
     Robert was paid 1000 pounds for Harewood by his brother-in-law William Aldburgh in 1365. [Fine 38 Edw III]. Elizabeth de Lisle was mentioned in a deed dated 1377 or 1378. In 1377/8, a further fine between William de Aldburgh (his wife being dead) & Robert confirming the manor... Harewood was one of 90 manors held by Robert [Originalia Roll 42 Edw III].
     In 1377/8 Robert conveyed to his brother William, the manor of Campton.
     Elizabeth died circa 1378. She was buried in the Dominican Friars, York, Yorkshire.

     Elizabeth de Lisle was born say 1322. She was the daughter of Robert de Lisle and Margaret de Beauchamp.
     Elizabeth de Lisle married Edmund Peverel before 1330.
     In 1334 Edmund's widow, Elizabeth de Lisle, was cited by the Pope to appear as a witness with her parents, Robert and Margaret de Lisle, and her grandmother, Alice de Beauchamp, regarding the matter of the consanguinity which existed between their kinsman, John de Bohun, Earl of Hereford and Essex, and his wife, Margaret Basset. Elizabeth was living 28 Jan. 1348. They was mentioned at the Inquisition Post Mortem held on 23 March 1341/42 on the death of Robert de Lisle. Robert del Isle. Writ to the escheator of co. Cambs, etc. to inquire what lands etc. the said Robert held on the day when he was professed in an order of religion etc 23 March 16 Edw III.
Cambs: Inq. taken at Cottenham, 23 April - He held no lands. etc in the county on the day he was professed.
John his son aged 24 & more, is his next heir.
Similar writ to the escheator whi is also to inquire whether the said Robert alienated any lands etc to anyone 3 May 16 Edw III.
Cambs: Inq. taken at Holytone 15 May. Manors of Ramptone, Cotenham & Westwyk & advowdson of church of Wynepol, but alienated them to Alice, daughter of Robert de Insula, Elizabeth Peverell, Richard de Baiocis, Wm de Ruston, Edmunde de Benhale & Henry Ewenny, to hold to them, during their lives, of the said Robert & his heirs, doing the serviced thereto pertaining to the chief lords of that fee, with remainder to John, his son, as appears in a fine levied inthe king's court. The said manor of Rampton is held of John Burdeleys, as of the manor of Maddyngle, by knight's service. The manor of Cotenham is held of the bishop of Ely, by knight's service. The manor of Westwyck and the advowson fo the church of Wynepol, with a certain manor in the town of Great Wilburgham, which the said Robert, before he assumed the habit of religion, alienated to the said John, his son and heir, are held of the earl of Brittany, by service of a sore sparrow-hawk, or half a mark yearly. The said Robert, who held the manor of Coveneye, alienated it long before he assumed the habit of religion, to the aforesaid Alice, etc. to hold to them, for their lives, of the said Robert and his hiers, with remainder to John his son, as appears by fine levied in the king's court. The said manor of Coveneye is held of the prior and convent of Ely, as in socage and by service of 5s yearly. He held no lands etc. in the county on the day he assumed the habit of religion.
     Similar writ to the escheator in co. Oxford, etc. 3 May.
Oxford: Inq. taken at Oxford, 18 May. Hayford Warin. The said Robert, long before he assumed the habit of religion, alienated the manor oto the said Alice etc for their lives, by fine levied in the king's court, at Westminster, 3 weeks from the day of St Michael, 13 Edw III; and it is held of the earl of Cornwall by service of a fifth part of a knight's fee. He held no lands etc. in the bailiwick on the day he was professed. John his son, aged 24 years is his next heir.
Similar writ to the escheator in co. Essex etc. 3 May.
Essex. Inq. taken at Herllawe 17 May. He held no lands etc. in fee in the county on the day he assumed the habit of religion or before.
Hertford. Inq. taken at Ware, 15 May 16 Edw III:
Pysshobury. He held the manor, but long before he assumed the habit of religion he alienated the same to Alice & Elizabeth, daughters of Robert de Isle, Richard de Bayeuse, William de Russhton, Edmund de Benhale and Henry Ewenay, to hold to them for their lives, of the chief lords of that fee, by the accustomed services, with remainder to John his son, to hold for life as above, with further successive remainders to Robert, son of the said John, and the heirs of his body, to hold as above, and to John brother of the said Robert, son of John, and the heirs of his body, to hold as above. The manor is held of Geoffrey de Say, Knight, by service of three knights' fees and three-quarters.
He held no lands etc. in the country of the day he assumd the habit of religion.
John his son, aged 23 years and more, is his next heir.
     Elizabeth died after 1343/44.

     George de Lisle was born say 1325. He was the son of Robert de Lisle and Margaret de Beauchamp.
     George died before 1343.